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Rozemond’s and Lodge’s Explorations of Leibniz’s Mill

May 27, 2014 by Julia Jorati

[This is part of a series of blog posts about articles in the new, open-access journal, Ergo]

Leibniz’s mill argument is one of very few Leibnizian arguments frequently invoked in contemporary philosophy of mind. How exactly this argument works, however, is controversial among Leibniz scholars. In the past few months, two stimulating articles devoted exclusively to the mill argument have come out: Marleen Rozemond’s “Mills Can’t Think: Leibniz’s Approach to the Mind-Body Problem” (Res Philosophica 91.1, 2014) and Paul Lodge’s “Leibniz’s Mill Argument Against Mechanical Materialism Revisited” (Ergo 2014). Rozemond’s paper was published first, but as Lodge acknowledges in a footnote, he only became aware of this paper after writing his own, and therefore does not otherwise engage with it. Hence, I’d like to put these two excellent analyses in conversation with each other here. In fact, even though the two papers disagree on several fundamental questions, they also turn out to help each other in interesting ways.

Let me start with the primary texts under discussion. The most famous formulation of the mill argument occurs in Monadology section 17:

we must confess that perception, and what depends on it, is inexplicable in terms of mechanical reasons, that is, through shapes and motions. If we imagine that there is a machine whose structure makes it think, sense, and have perceptions, we could conceive it enlarged, keeping the same proportions, so that we could enter into it, as one enters into a mill. Assuming that, when inspecting its interior, we will only find parts that push one another, and we will never find anything to explain a perception. And so, we should seek perception in the simple substance and not in the composite or in the machine. (transl. from AG 215)

Leibniz does, however, offer versions of this argument elsewhere as well, as both Rozemond and Lodge acknowledge. Particularly interesting are the versions from Leibniz’s Preface to the New Essays (NE 66f.), a letter to Bayle (G 3:68/WF 129), a draft of a letter to Queen Sophie Charlotte (LTS 259), and “On the Souls of Men and Beasts” (G 7:328/SLT 63). I will not quote those passages here, but they can be found in Rozemond’s and Lodge’s articles.

Turning now to the two recent discussions of the mill argument, I will start with Lodge’s because it provides a useful categorization of the different interpretations of the argument that have so far been advanced. The argument, Lodge claims, has the following structure:

Premise: Perception, sensation, and thought cannot be explained in mechanical terms.

Conclusion: Therefore, matter (as understood by mechanistic philosophers) cannot perceive, sense, or think.

Lodge then lists four different interpretations of the implicit justification for the argument’s premise. They can be paraphrased as follows:

  1. The Explanatory Gap Interpretation (Stewart Duncan): Shape, size, and motion are the only modifications of matter, and we cannot conceive how these modifications or their combinations could give rise to perception, sensation, or thought.
  2. The Unity of Consciousness Interpretation (Margaret Wilson): Conscious perceptions possess a special unity, and material things, since they are infinitely divisible, cannot exhibit, or give rise to, this kind of unity.
  3. The Unity of Perception Interpretation (Marc Bobro and Paul Lodge; Stewart Duncan): Perception can only take place in a unity, and material things, since they are infinitely divisible, cannot exhibit this kind of unity.
  4. The Activity/Passivity Interpretation (Marleen Rozemond; Paul Lodge): The power to perceive, sense, or think is an active power, and matter, since it is passive, cannot possess active powers.

It is important to note that the controversy over the mill argument is not primarily a controversy over what Leibniz’s views about perception or the possibility of thinking machines are. Interpreters in fact generally agree that Leibniz denies that machines are capable of thought or perception, and that he believes that only simple, immaterial unities could possibly possess perceptions and thoughts. Most scholars furthermore agree that because all natural states of a monad originate within the monad, perceiving involves some kind of activity. The controversy is, rather, about what exactly the structure of the various versions of the mill argument is. Even though this is not a disagreement about Leibniz’s fundamental views, it is an important interpretive issue, and not only because the mill argument is so frequently invoked in contemporary philosophy of mind. It is also important for evaluating how powerful and compelling Leibniz’s argument is, especially to readers who do not already accept large portions of Leibniz’s system. One crucial aspect of the controversy, then, is the question to what extent we already need to accept controversial Leibnizian doctrines in order to find the argument compelling. Relatedly, the controversy concerns the relations between Leibniz’s fundamental views, for instance between activity and perception. Even interpreters who agree that monads are active in perceiving, after all, may disagree on whether activity is a necessary condition for perceiving.

Lodge rejects the first of the four interpretations listed above as too minimalistic because he sees Leibniz as pointing to particular features of perception that make a mechanical explanation impossible. He also rules out the second interpretation, but on textual grounds: Leibniz seems to be concerned with perception generally, not conscious perception in particular. Yet, Lodge argues, the third interpretation is the best way to make sense of some versions of the mill argument, while the fourth interpretation works better for a few other versions.

I am not going to go into more detail of Lodge’s argument here. Instead, I will turn to Rozemond’s interpretation of the mill argument and end with some observations about the most significant differences between her reading and Lodge’s.

Rozemond argues that the activity/passivity interpretation is the best way to understand all versions of Leibniz’s mill argument, even the ones in the Monadology and the letter from Bayle, which Lodge thinks are better understood in terms of the unity of perception interpretation. She moreover adds a fifth candidate to the list of possible interpretations of the mill argument.

5.   The Internal Action Interpretation (Marleen Rozemond): Perception is an internal action, which means that it cannot consist in the operation of various parts of an entity. Whatever a machine does, however, consists in the operation of its various parts, and therefore machines cannot perceive.

Rozemond provides convincing textual evidence that Leibniz uses ‘internal action’ in two different ways: sometimes it is contrasted with transeunt action, at other times it is contrasted with actions consisting in the operations of parts of the agent. She moreover suggests—plausibly, I think—that the latter understanding of the term ‘internal action’ is at work in passages in which Leibniz argues that matter cannot perceive because perception is an internal action.

This fifth interpretation appears to me to be closely related to the unity of perception interpretation. Determining just how closely they are related would require a much more thorough examination of how exactly Leibniz understands the unity of perception, and of what exactly he means when he calls perception an internal action. It may or may not turn out that they are versions of the same interpretation. Either result, however, would be interesting and advance our understanding of the mill argument.

If the internal action interpretation does not turn out to be a version of the unity of perception interpretation, Rozemond has discovered yet another plausible way of understanding the mill argument. This new interpretation might even solve some of the interpretive problems that the other candidates cannot handle convincingly.

If the internal action interpretation does turn out to be a version of the unity of perception interpretation, on the other hand, this very realization, and the examination that led to it, would presumably afford us a deeper understanding of what the relation between perception and simplicity or unity is for Leibniz. Moreover, we could then subsume at least some of the passages in which Leibniz invokes internal action and which Lodge subsumes under interpretation (4), under interpretation (3) instead. This would be interesting for Lodge, who understand some passages in accordance with the activity/passivity interpretation because they invoke the notion of internal action. On the basis of the textual evidence Rozemond presents that Leibniz sometimes uses ‘internal action’ to refer to an action not resulting from the operation of parts of the agent, one could argue that worries about unity or simplicity are after all doing most of the work in those versions of the argument. This strategy would work particularly well for the passage from a draft of a letter to Sophie Charlotte, which Lodge reads in accordance with the activity/passivity interpretation. It might also help explain why Leibniz brings up internal actions in the Monadology, directly after the mill argument, as well as in the letter to Bayle. This is one way in which Rozemond’s discussion helps Lodge’s argument.

Rozemond claims—correctly, I think—that in the texts she discusses, Leibniz does not explicitly identify what I call the internal action interpretation as underlying the mill argument. Instead, she argues that Leibniz sometimes brings up internal action as an additional reason for rejecting thinking matter, in addition, that is, to considerations about the activity of perception and the passivity of matter. Rozemond also wonders whether Leibniz might be relying implicitly on the internal action interpretation in some versions of the mill argument. Yet, she does not mention the draft of a letter to Sophie Charlotte, which Lodge discusses, and in which Leibniz provides a version of the mill argument that fits perfectly with the internal action interpretation. Leibniz there writes,

supposing whatever traces, machines, or motions you like in the brain, one will never find the source of perception or of the reflection on oneself, which is a truly internal action, any more than one could find it in a watch or in a mill. For crude or subtle machines differ only in degree. (Leibniz and the Two Sophies, p. 259)

This is one way in which Lodge’s discussion helps Rozemond: it supplies a version of the mill argument in which Leibniz explicitly employs the strategy Rozemond finds most promising.

There are many thought-provoking aspects of both Rozemond’s and Lodge’s paper that I was not able to explore here. For instance, Rozemond’s article includes an excellent discussion of the differences between Kant’s “Achilles Argument” and Leibniz’s mill argument; her paper also contains an argument against reading the mill argument in the Monadology in accordance with the unity of perception interpretation. I hence strongly recommend that those who are interested in the topic read both of these excellent papers and investigate these fascinating questions further. Even though the two articles have cleared up the main issues significantly, I agree with the last sentence of Rozemond’s paper: “Much work remains to be done.”

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  1. on May 27, 2014 at 3:04 pm New Open Access Philosophy Journal | Daily Nous

    […] an open access journal. So, check out the articles at the journal’s home page, and then read Julia Jorati’s commentary at The Mod Squad on Paul Lodge’s paper in early modern philosophy, Anna Mahtani’s […]


  2. on May 28, 2014 at 3:28 pm A new Open Access Philosophy Journal (and some general comments thereon)The Indian Philosophy Blog | The Indian Philosophy Blog

    […] Jorati (OSU) discusses here the paper in early modern by Paul Lodge […]


  3. on May 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm Alan Nelson

    I am especially interested in this observation of Julia’s:

    “It is important to note that the controversy over the mill argument is not primarily a controversy over what Leibniz’s views about perception or the possibility of thinking machines are. Interpreters in fact generally agree that Leibniz denies that machines are capable of thought or perception, and that he believes that only simple, immaterial unities could possibly possess perceptions and thoughts. Most scholars furthermore agree that because all natural states of a monad originate within the monad, perceiving involves some kind of activity. The controversy is, rather, about what exactly the structure of the various versions of the mill argument is.”

    It brings out an important methodological point. One interesting way of working on texts like these from Leibniz is to ASSUME that a passage expresses an argument with an “exact structure.” And since the author, Leibniz in this case, lazily or carelessly or unaccountably failed to display the exact structure, it is the historian’s job to speculate about what it is.

    Another way of proceeding would be to assume that Leibniz knew what he was doing and wrote the passages in question with care. On this assumption, the point of the windmill example would be to indicate (not “argue”) to someone unfamiliar with Leibniz’s system his views about perception (which, as Julia says, are not very controversial) among historians.

    I find this second way of proceeding more edifying, but I concede this is probably no more than a personal preference.


  4. on June 2, 2014 at 9:16 am Paul Lodge

    Alan’s methodological point is clearly a very interesting one.

    For my part, the aim was to highlight a number of relevant aspects of Leibniz’s views that might help us understand why he was opposed to materialism. The form of the exposition is one that was designed to key into previous approaches and articles – particularly Stewart Duncan’s recent paper, and to follow a standard model for journal articles whose consumers are likely to be people trained in anglo-american depts – i.e., forcing the text into something that looks like a premise-inference-conclusion argument and then trying to give a charitable reconstruction of why Leibniz might have offered such an argument.

    In fact, I much prefer Marleen’s approach to the one that I took. And I think she is moving the debate on further.

    For my part, I tend to think of arguments as invitations to occupy ways of looking at the world, and suspect that this may accord more closely with how people thought about them in the 17th C. But there still seems to be a big 21st C appetite for premises, inferences, and conclusions and for making sense of the past in that way. Perhaps Alan’s invitation could be turned into a suggestion that one might take a stand on this. And, if it were, I’d have a lot of sympathy for that.

    I’m pretty agnostic when it comes to the actual intent that Leibniz might have had. Though, given the relatively odd conception of perception (in the strict sense) that he had, my hunch is that it would have been rhetorically weak to use the mill argument to try to indicate the account of perception to his contemporaries.

    Onto a different point about what current historians think about perception in Leibniz: Prior to the posting, Julia, Marleen, and I had a little round-robin on some of the issues. Oddly, Marleen and I found ourselves with a different sense to Julia of how controversial the claim that perception is essentially active would be among Leibniz scholars. We thought (hopefully, I’m getting Marleen right here) that a lot of people conceive of perceptions as discrete states that are the product of substantial activity, but which are not active in themselves. I fear I may well carry this around with me largely as a result of my memory of Bob Sleigh’s account of substantial change in the Leibniz-Arnauld book. But Marleen suggested it had been thrown back at her when she was trying to convince people of this aspect of her reading.

    It would be interesting to know what people think about that.


  5. on June 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm Julia Jorati

    Thanks, Alan and Paul!
    Alan: that’s a fair point. But on your interpretation, it would still make sense to ask what precisely about perception the windmill example is supposed to indicate, right? Even if it is not an argument but an analogy or something like that, different interpretations seem possible. The analogy could indicate something about simplicity, or activity/unity, etc. I hope I’m not misunderstanding your point?
    About Paul’s point about the activity of perceptions: I took it to be widely accepted among Leibniz scholars that perceiving (but maybe not perceptions) is active in the late period. Interpreters do of course differ on the question whether perceptions efficiently cause other perceptions or not–I tend to think they don’t; instead, I think that substances cause perceptions. But given Leibniz’s denial of monadic interaction, I thought, it must be the monad itself or something within it that causes its perceptions. And if that’s the case, perceiving involves some kind of activity. Like Paul, I’d love to hear what others think about this.


    • on June 2, 2014 at 6:01 pm Alan Nelson

      Thanks, Paul and Julia for the helpful responses.

      Julia, I do concede that it is possible that Leibniz hoped to get across not only a specific conclusion about perception, but to do that via an argument with some specific suppressed premises. But in my first post, I meant to be suggesting not only that there is not a specific argument, but also that there is not a specific conclusion about perception. The suggestion is that Leibniz meant for the mill story to introduce to the reader *all* (or most) of his distinctive doctrines on perception. This might work by suggesting that none of the important features of perception can be “seen” by examining mechanisms–even microscopical eyes that could see brain mechanisms would not see/understand perception that way.

      Paul, I’m in the camp that interprets Leibnizian perception as active. But even if it weren’t, it seems the mill story could indicate that the activity of substances as perceptions take place cannot be understood through mechanisms.


      • on June 2, 2014 at 6:03 pm Julia Jorati

        Alan, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification!


  6. on June 16, 2014 at 10:38 am Marleen Rozemond

    I am quite late in joining this discussion. But here are some thoughts.

    When Leibniz explains how the Mill Argument works he says that perceptions can’t be modifications of matter. The clearest statements in Leibniz about why perceptions can’t be modifications of matter, it seems to me, state that the reason is that matter is passive and perception involves action, or internal action.

    But I still wonder about the relationship of the Mill Argument to the unity of perception. In the paper I argued against seeing the argument as turning on the unity of perception. In “The souls of Beasts” Leibniz seems to indicate quite clearly that it’s action rather than unity that does the trick. I want to add the following. Arguments against materialism from the unity of perception were common in the period. Leibniz would have known about them, for instance, from reading Cudworth’s True Intellectual System. But he never explicitly offers such an argument, even though he defines perception in terms of its subject being a unity. So that makes me wonder whether he thought such an argument does not work.

    At the same time, his repeated references to internal action in the context of the Mill Argument statements invite the idea that the unity or simplicity of the subject of perception is at stake. And I find Paul Lodge’s paper on this very interesting.

    About Alan’s comments: Stewart Duncan’s paper is really interesting here (Philosophical Quarterly 2012. I hope I get him right.) He argues that sometimes Leibniz simply wants the thought experiment to speak for itself, but that at the same time he had his own reasons for thinking why it works. My approach was the following: on what ground would Leibniz have believed that the thought experiment would work for his interlocutors – assuming, sensibly, they aren’t full-blown Leibnizians? He tends to offer the argument in contexts that suggest he is not relying on his own substantive views. And I thought it was philosophically attractive that on various occasions he does offer such premises, rather than relying on some sort of brute intuition.

    About perception and activity: perception clearly involves activity, as Julia writes, insofar as it is produced by its substance. But in what sense exactly does that make perception itself active? “Involve” is a rather vague term. The question I have encountered is that what is truly active in monads is appetites, not perceptions. So the issue requires sorting out just what appetites are, and their relationship to perceptions. I still have homework to do on that one.

    Marleen


  7. on August 23, 2014 at 11:27 am Mechyp Ermoyen

    Interesting discussion ! Is your group essentially interested in the history of the philosophical ideas concerning the Mind-Body problem, or are you also interested in actual research in this field ? Another way to express it : do you think the understanding of what the great minds of the past said on this question, might offer clues for actual research ?


  8. on August 23, 2014 at 11:43 am Julia Jorati

    Mechyp, I think trying to understand what great minds of the past have said is “actual research” in itself! (I’m not sure you intended to deny that, but your comment can be read that way.) As for the questions whether historians of philosophy are interested in contemporary philosophical discussions, and whether historical research can contribute to the philosophical research of non-historians (and whether that is the main point of doing historical research): there are many different attitudes among historians of philosophy, and probably among contributors to this blog, on this. I personally really like Don Rutherford’s comments in the last section of his talk here: https://philosophymodsquad.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/the-future-of-the-history-of-modern-philosophy-donald-rutherford/


  9. on August 23, 2014 at 5:22 pm Mechyp Ermoyen

    Julia,

    Thank you for your rapid answer, and for the link. I will take time to think about it …

    Mechyp


  10. on January 26, 2015 at 1:07 pm Leibniz, internal action, and experience | The Mod Squad

    […] sometimes describes thought as an internal action (see this earlier Modsquad discussion). Moreover, in a couple of places he says that we can know this by experience. Indeed, he suggests […]



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